{"id":54,"date":"2021-08-11T08:48:26","date_gmt":"2021-08-11T08:48:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/?page_id=54"},"modified":"2023-04-16T05:26:32","modified_gmt":"2023-04-16T05:26:32","slug":"midi-quest-and-sound-diver","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/midi-quest-and-sound-diver\/","title":{"rendered":"MIDI Quest (and Sound Diver)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p id=\"u7567-8\">Do you remember the days when you actually wanted all your hardware to be controllable from a computer screen? Be able to save patches to a hard drive, have all the settings visible at once, diagrams of the envelopes \u2013 you know, all the stuff that software plug ins have made pleasant and easy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7567-12\">As you start hoarding antique boxes from last century, you\u2019d probably like that utility again. But I have some bad news for you \u2013 the market for this kind of software has become hmmm, what\u2019s the word from <em>Spinal Tap<\/em> \u2013 selective.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7567-26\">Oldies would remember a tool called <em>Sound Diver<\/em> from Emagic. That worked well, and you wonder if that\u2019s still available? Well back in 2002 Apple wanted to get into the music making business probably just to <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/apple-corp-apple-computers-second-settlement\/\" target=\"_blank\">fuck off the Beatles. <\/a>They looked around for something off the shelf, apparently Steinberg had already sold to Pinnacle, but Emagic had Logic and Apple had the bucks and that\u2019s how <em>Logic Pro <\/em>became a Mac exclusive. Unfortunately, Sound Diver was too friendly with other people\u2019s hardware, so it got taken out the back and shot. No sell off, no public domain, just 6 feet under.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7567-31\">You cannot find a copy of <em>Sound Diver <\/em>that works with the current OSX. But you can find one that works with Windows 10, because Windows has a reptile brain deep inside that still thinks it\u2019s 1998. More on that later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7567-42\">Another company called <a href=\"https:\/\/squest.com\/\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/squest.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Sound Quest<\/a> had produced a hardware editor called <em>MIDI Quest <\/em>in 1989, a few years before <em>Sound Diver<\/em>. Still trucking in its 12th version it\u2019s the last of the mega-editors left standing. If you have a big studio it\u2019s the only legal option for your orchestra. So, we\u2019re going to look at <em>MIDI Quest<\/em> mostly, but with a few asides to an ancient copy of <em>Sound <\/em>Diver I found on that great pirate software site archive.org<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7567-45\">I know there are lots of little editors out there for the popular synthesisers. But we\u2019ll leave that to another time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"u7610-2\">Polyglot<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7610-5\">The sales pitch for <em>MQ12 <\/em>is that you\u2019re getting an all in one editor for your vast fortress of devices. A cut down version will handle three devices but there\u2019s not really much point. <em>MQ12<\/em> and <em>SD<\/em> both offer a standard GUI for every device they address, a lowest common denominator that is far less helpful than dedicated editors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7610-8\">A \u2018professional\u2019 version allows you to roll your own editors and make your hardware appear as VST plug ins. That would need a good grasp of system exclusive codes, and more time than I have left in life. It\u2019s also expensive. <em>MQ12<\/em> is not a high demand item and so you have to pay a fair whack. Windows <em>SD<\/em> of course costs nothing, but you have zero support, and the code is so old that Windows help files don\u2019t function anymore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7610-15\">The editors work by noting your commands made to the GUI, sending system exclusive codes to the MIDI instruments, waiting a while, then interpreting the reply from the instrument as updates to the GUI. It\u2019s an unreliable chain of command. MIDI is slow, some instruments are even slower, your MIDI interface is of variable reliability\u2026 much of what you\u2019re doing is like Google Translate where <em>Where is your bathroom?<\/em> comes out as <em>I desire your daughter\u2019s pot roast<\/em>. If the instrument doesn\u2019t understand what you mean, it can do something unexpected or issue a complaint which again gets misunderstood by your GUI.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7610-19\"><em>MIDI Quest<\/em> gets a lot of bad press. It\u2019s mostly because people aren\u2019t set up properly, partly because the software hasn\u2019t been tested in as many situations as required and yes, partly because the editors aren\u2019t fully complete. I think Sound Quest are doing their best, but maybe a open community is needed to wrangle such a huge task.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"u7616-2\">A Cruel Test<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7616-3\"><strong>The cruellest test<\/strong> I know for a software editor is <a href=\"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/mr-rack\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"376\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the Ensoniq MR Rack.<\/a> It is, to put it bluntly, a total shit storm of terrible design and O\/S. Having to load patches in performances to hear them or to add effects is crap. It doesn\u2019t even use standard sys-x. It was programmed and documented by somebody who probably had a whole week and used a bottle of whiskey to get through it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"472\" height=\"180\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-ensoniq-mr-rack-editor-and-librarian-768x293-1.jpg?resize=472%2C180&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-55\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-ensoniq-mr-rack-editor-and-librarian-768x293-1.jpg?w=472&amp;ssl=1 472w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-ensoniq-mr-rack-editor-and-librarian-768x293-1.jpg?resize=300%2C114&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-ensoniq-mr-rack-editor-and-librarian-768x293-1.jpg?resize=400%2C153&amp;ssl=1 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 472px) 100vw, 472px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7616-18\">Both <em>Sound Diver<\/em> and <em>MIDI Quest<\/em> suffer, but it must be said straight up \u2013 <em>MIDI Quest <\/em>is useless in the face of such a beast. Nothing works \u2013 the wrong sound is brought up, edits aren\u2019t acknowledged, and often nothing at all happens.<em> Sound Diver <\/em>was actually supplied with the MR Rack (and the FIZMO), and I venture they got inside assistance from Ensoniq at the time. There is pain, terrible pain, but it works. My question is why MIDI Quest doesn\u2019t reverse engineer this ability?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7613-2\"><strong>A Poor Interface <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/tg77\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"281\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The SY77<\/a> is not a simple machine and this becomes clear when you use a polyglot<em> like <\/em>MIDI Quest to edit it, rather than a dedicated tool (like <em>FM Alive<\/em>). <em>MQ12 <\/em>has to pull together elements that aren\u2019t really suited to the task. It works, but it\u2019s a GUI only a mother could love.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"470\" height=\"280\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-e-mu-ultra-proteus-editor-and-librarian-768x458-1.jpg?resize=470%2C280&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-57\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-e-mu-ultra-proteus-editor-and-librarian-768x458-1.jpg?w=470&amp;ssl=1 470w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-e-mu-ultra-proteus-editor-and-librarian-768x458-1.jpg?resize=300%2C179&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/screenshot_2020-04-10-midi-quest-e-mu-ultra-proteus-editor-and-librarian-768x458-1.jpg?resize=400%2C238&amp;ssl=1 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 470px) 100vw, 470px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7633-2\"><strong>Success<\/strong> I had been using <em>MorphEdit<\/em> to control my <a href=\"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/ultraproteus\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"396\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">UltraProteus<\/a>. It\u2019s a nice title from the 16bit era, which serves to demonstrate how exceptional Windows legacy support can be. But here\u2019s an example of where <em>MQ12 <\/em>is able to take over. All is happy and shiny!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7633-10\"><strong>Failure<\/strong> My <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/korg-ms2000br\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"186\" target=\"_blank\">MS2000<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/korg-ms2000br\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"186\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">B<\/a><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/nilamox.com\/mancave21\/korg-ms2000br\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"186\" target=\"_blank\">R rack<\/a> shows complete disdain for both <em>SD<\/em> and <em>MQ12<\/em>. Given the command to list its patches it babbles out gibberish system exclusive and times out. It has knobs on the front so not too much harm done. But I\u2019ll still keep figuring it out when I have utterly nothing else left better to do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"u7633-16\">Conclusion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7633-16\">There\u2019s a flowchart. Do you need to communicate with lots of equipment? Are you based on Mac OSX? Then you should check the <em>MQ12<\/em> demo. Are you based on Windows? Then check both the demo and <em>SQ<\/em>, but understand that the magic reptile brain might not work forever. If you have less equipment or it comes with an editor already (Virus TI, RADIAS etc.) then think carefully about the diversity and coherence of how you wish to store your library.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"u7633-20\">And if you have time not money \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/ctrlr.org\/\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/ctrlr.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">why not CTRLR?<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Do you remember the days when you actually wanted all your hardware to be controllable from a computer screen? Be able to save patches to a hard drive, have all the settings visible at once, diagrams of the envelopes \u2013 you know, all the stuff that software plug ins have made pleasant and easy. 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